Several people have posted on the Raiding and Dungeons forum disliking as well as liking the new changes. So lets go over what Blizzard has done to this Expansion.
- 25 and 10man now share the same lockout
- Defending a final zone boss on either 10 or 25 unlocks Heroic Mode no Matter what
- Gear is the same (25 drops more loot nothing more)
- Blizzard stated they wished to make 10 and 25man the same difficulty (won't ever happen due to balance issues)
Is this what Blizzard wanted? Well, making everything shared such as Achievements, loot, lockouts..I would think so. Several others don't think Blizzard wanted it.
Now what brought up this discussion? Well..there is a guild on my server who has an EXTREME hatred for my own. Reason? Dunno. Might be from before I was there, but its a silly thing anyway. Needless to say; we was working on Al'akir. Tank DC'd, never came back. End of the week and the GM wanted to get a progression kill. We were down a few raiders as well due to the holidays so he made the decision to go in to 10man and knock it out.
So we did. I personally posted the boss was down. I made sure WowProgress and GuildOx updated as well. They both show that overall progression, we got credit for the kill. Now, if you click on the side bars where you want to separate 10 from 25 kills..then you can see the different. But overall, it still ranks us with the kill with normal progression. So, even the progression sites merge the 10 and 25man kills together.
Now the discussion going on with the Raiding and Dungeon forum is the same. I will agree with most people who post there. Points have been made on both sides. But I want to quote what one person said that I will continue to preach until Blizzard separates 10 and 25 again.
"The problem you are having and not understanding is simple. You are stuck in a 10 vs 25 man progression mind set. Blizzard consolidated 10/25 man achievments. There is no more 10 vs 25 man progression according to Blizzard.
They have NOT fostered any kind of behavior that they stated they wanted to eliminate. They have done exactly what they intended. 10/25 man share lockouts now. They are the same. It reduce the raid grind. It extends the life of their content and reduces burtnout. Switching back and forth from 10 to 25 man is an INTENDED option. Stuck on boss? Not enough people online? Switch to 10....etc...
If there are balance issues between the two, they will remedy as they see fit.
TLDR: No more 10 vs 25 man. Current system working as intended."-- Vargun 85 Troll Shaman
I agree with his statement here. Several people on stuck in the mindset that its 25 vs 10. Thats not the problem people seem to be having unless they begin to talk about difficulty. And my lord, yes..I know there are several bosses that are AMAZINGLY easier on 10man compared to 25, and vise versa. It will always be different mainly due to the ability of classes you can bring to raid.
This isn't a post in regards to how difficult one encounter is from another, its more on if the kill on 10man should be counted at all. By the standards posted about my guild getting Al'akir on 10 and not 25; any guild raiding as a 10man should not count as a progression guild. It should be its own separate entity. Yet, as stated before. Top guilds in the world are doing the same thing. Sure, some people will post "Just because they do it doesn't mean you should". But its not the point. Its the point that Blizzard put this design in. People are using it. Nothing more, nothing less. So why such hate?
So, I want to hear your opinions on this matter. Are you ok with the current ranking system? Do you feel it should stay the same? Be separated? And dear lord don't talk about difficulty. We all know that will end up.